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T O P I C R E V I E WSunChildDon't you think it's time you got real and gave it up by now? Be vegetarian, at least.what's happened to you? All the great advice from the greatest compassionate people is falling out your other ear?(edited one part out- it was a bit extreme to say. )We all go back to meat and become seduced by it, and one will justify it so one can continue eating it. the truth is you don't need it. It's an evolutionary path, are you falling behind?I don't see any vegetarians or vegans around here any more.hmmm?SunChild "For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." Pythagoras, mathematician "The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men." Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist "To a man whose mind is free there is something even more intolerable in the sufferings of animals than in the sufferings of man. For with the latter it is at least admitted that suffering is evil and that the man who causes it is a criminal. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered every day without a shadow of remorse. If any man were to refer to it, he would be thought ridiculous. And that is the unpardonable crime." Romain Rolland, author, Nobel Prize 1915 "If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?" George Bernard Shaw, playwright, Nobel Prize 1925 "What is it that should trace the insuperable line? ...The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?" Jeremy Bentham, philosopher "In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978 "Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921 "I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being." Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President "You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." Ralph Waldo Emerson, essayist "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." "What I think about vivisection is that if people admit that they have the right to take or endanger the life of living beings for the benefit of many, there will be no limit to their cruelty." Leo Tolstoy author "I cannot fish without falling a little in self-respect...always when I have done I feel it would have been better if I had not fished." Henry David Thoreau, author "While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?" "Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are called medical research." George Bernard Shaw "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." "To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being." Mahatma Gandhi, statesman and philosopher hippichickPlease? To each is own?hippichickLet me elaborate.Whatever makes one happy, well, balanced and a kind, loving, productive member of the human race is what I really respect.I will not judge someone on what they eat, but I will respect someone's views on what they choose to consume.Until creator him/herself comes to me and dictates what is true and correct, I shall follow my intuition and respect all.terri~~~EmeraldopalAfter reading Star Signs in 1998..I started on my way to being a vegetarian..eating only chicken and fish..to then not eating any meat....well..I'm poor now..and I can't afford..to eat that way..one of my daughter'sdoes not eat meat at all..to feed her isvery expensive..fruits, nuts, vegatables,and tofu..etc.As long as I have not taken any life away..I think it's okay..When Jesus went to peoples homes for dinner, I am sure he didnot refuse anything put before him..I fast for 3 days a month, drinking only water...I do feel bad eating animals. ...------------------All my love, with all my HeartlotusheartoneSunChildI'm not judg'n, just ask'n SunChildHeck, I'll elaborate too, if all I got left was a chicken in the backyard, it'll be in my oven to feed my kids.but when there's alternatives...well then? what do say to yourself? when there's not an alternative, and I get not wanting to offend others, yep sure... it's fine.Let's say you have a choice though, like a lot of us do everyday...What do you choose? (not asking anyone. just everyone.)I believe vegetarianism is a good choice.A very good choice.SunChildI'm glad you are back in your apartment now lotus. Sorry to hear your troubles. SunChildI just thought I'd be the one to ask and look like the judgemental meanie... but it's really not like that.good/ bad people...let's get out of that basket...I'm just talking about vegetarianism... we all know, deep down, that'something.'I just want to point and ask that we look there. There's a reason why it's associated with spirituality, i'm sure of it. I shudddup now.EmeraldopalThanks SunChild for thinkingof me..I think it's a good choice...------------------All my love, with all my HeartlotusheartonehippichickI really wish I could be a veggie eater, only, but I cant.Have tried, leaves me feeling without something.I do consume my fair share of veggies, for sure! But I have to stick to the leafy greens....was oogling at some marvelous pot of mexican beans someone brought at work yesterday, but I just cant...would bloat up with all the c02 and explode. I dunno. One of those debatable questions for ever. We have eaten meat for ever...Sentient beings."its ok to eat fish cause they dont have any feelings...."again being a fish, I cant catch and kill...hurts, but I just dont know.I could not eat my cats, even in a dire situation I would dire and let them eat me.I grew up on a dairy farm. To look into the eyes of a cow, a chicken is not the same as looking into the eyes of a cat or dog. Even pigs have a connection with humans, but cows and chickens, fish, the common things folks eat, just dont have the sentient look in their eyes.Sorry for being so windy....I am not seduced my meat, just a choice, and in very small quantities at that!blessins, ladies!!!terri~SunChildthanks for your thoughts terri. I'm committed to my vegan lifestyle... I just think it's too easy to lose ones 'way'... what ever that is for the individual, we too easily justify things.I go back to my teachers and take it to heart again and again, even if I 'fail' all the time, I go back.I have justified meat eating during pregnancy... but I have never not felt my conscience say something while eating meat... I must listen to that and go my way. SunChildI did worry about you lotus. RegardesPlateroI personally don't eat meat, but I am not vegan. I do eat cheese, egg whites (Egg Beaters), and occasionally fish. Something that I think that people who eat some of the currently popular diets should understand is how expensive food really is these days and how little you get for your dollar. I buy all of my own food and seriously, it sucks how much of my money food eats up. People who have money can eat what they like, but the prices on special foods are ridiculous at times. Some are reasonable, but a lot of the trendy food costs a lot of money, more than a lot of normal people have. depthHuman body was designed & evolved to eat both meat & vegetable. Human digestive tracts, animal/plant protein digesting enzymes, salivary glands, teeth, etc. are indicators of an omnivorous diet. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.Our closest relative, the chimpanzee, are omnivores. In addition, humans are a part of the animal Kingdom where one has to prey on the other for survival. It's simply a part of the food web.Many vegetarians say they are vegetarians because they love animals. Philosophically/ethically speaking, do they hate plants, the life givers? Just because they are inanimate &/or aren't as cute as a chick doesn't automatically give us sanction to deprive them of their lives.I know no popular religion, except Jainism(takes it to a different level altogether. eg : believers are supposed to cover their mouth to prevent the possibility of swallowing microscopic organisms), that prohibits meat. These gods are fallible?From a health perspective, Japan has the highest life expectancy rate. The island country's diet is rich in seafood.Source : a vegetarian by choice who's never been tempted by meat.SunChildFair enough. Very Zenlogical. ------------------Look to the future; see to it that the continual performance of duty under the guidance of a well developed Intuition shall keep the balance well poised. Ah! If your eyes were opened, you might see such a vista of potential blessings to yourselves and mankind lying in the germ of the present hour’s effort, as would fire with joy and zeal your souls!- Masters Wordshippichick quote:Originally posted by depth:Human body was designed & evolved to eat both meat & vegetable. Human digestive tracts, animal/plant protein digesting enzymes, salivary glands, teeth, etc. are indicators of an omnivorous diet. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.Our closest relative, the chimpanzee, are omnivores. In addition, humans are a part of the animal Kingdom where one has to prey on the other for survival. It's simply a part of the food web.Many vegetarians say they are vegetarians because they love animals. Philosophically/ethically speaking, do they hate plants, the life givers? Just because they are inanimate &/or aren't as cute as a chick doesn't automatically give us sanction to deprive them of their lives.I know no popular religion, except Jainism(takes it to a different level altogether. eg : believers are supposed to cover their mouth to prevent the possibility of swallowing microscopic organisms), that prohibits meat. These gods are fallible?From a health perspective, Japan has the highest life expectancy rate. The island country's diet is rich in seafood.Source : a vegetarian by choice who's never been tempted by meat.excellent, well said! hippichick quote:Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:I personally don't eat meat, but I am not vegan. I do eat cheese, egg whites (Egg Beaters), and occasionally fish. Something that I think that people who eat some of the currently popular diets should understand is how expensive food really is these days and how little you get for your dollar. I buy all of my own food and seriously, it sucks how much of my money food eats up. People who have money can eat what they like, but the prices on special foods are ridiculous at times. Some are reasonable, but a lot of the trendy food costs a lot of money, more than a lot of normal people have. Food is expensive for sure!Largely why the culture I serve in San Antonio has such genetically evloved health issues, diabetes to name the main culprit. Their historical diet, mostly based on corn, rice and beans, is so inexpensive, but (can be) soooo unhealthy.Alot of times I take to buying large amounts of frozen fish instead of fresh, just to save a buck. lemonkittySunChild, I am vegetarian and always will be Just so you know that there are vegetarians around Linda land... :PSunChildYou Rock! MadameButterflyI'm with you all the way, SunChild "The meat industry is one of the most destructive ecological industries on the planet. The raising and slaughtering of pigs, cows, sheep, turkeys and chickens not only utilizes vast areas of land and vast quantities of water, but it is a greater contributor to greenhouse gas emissions than the automobile industry." - Paul Watson, A Very Inconvenient Truth"A kilogram of beef is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions and other pollution than driving for 3 hours while leaving all the lights on back home.[...] In other words, a kilogram of beef is responsible for the equivalent of the amount of CO2 emitted by the average European car every 250 kilometres, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days." - New Scientist magazineathenegoddessI'm vegan. I didn't choose to be really. My body is just refusing to eat anything unpure anymore. I have zero cravings and desire for processed foods and especially rotting animal flesh. They say that when you reach a meditative state in your consiousness, your body naturally isn't able to consume meat. I think this is what happened to me because I used to eat it and enjoy it. Now I'm on a super pure diet...Alma Sun quote:I don't see any vegetarians or vegans around here any more.Been eating only fruits and veggies since June 16th. I'm loving it. ------------------"The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind." --- Friedrich NietzscheLei_KueiThe fastest way to enlightenment is the Paleolithic diet... Meat, meat, and more meat!Energy/Lifeforce winning!Sry, just my experience -nods-------------------~*~ Did you know that a circle is round? ~*~ - TautologyYou can't handle my level of Tinfoil! ~ {;,;}
what's happened to you? All the great advice from the greatest compassionate people is falling out your other ear?
(edited one part out- it was a bit extreme to say. )
We all go back to meat and become seduced by it, and one will justify it so one can continue eating it. the truth is you don't need it. It's an evolutionary path, are you falling behind?
I don't see any vegetarians or vegans around here any more.
hmmm?
"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men." Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist
"To a man whose mind is free there is something even more intolerable in the sufferings of animals than in the sufferings of man. For with the latter it is at least admitted that suffering is evil and that the man who causes it is a criminal. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered every day without a shadow of remorse. If any man were to refer to it, he would be thought ridiculous. And that is the unpardonable crime." Romain Rolland, author, Nobel Prize 1915
"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?" George Bernard Shaw, playwright, Nobel Prize 1925 "What is it that should trace the insuperable line? ...The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?" Jeremy Bentham, philosopher
"In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought." Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978
"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921
"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being." Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President
"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity." Ralph Waldo Emerson, essayist
"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." "What I think about vivisection is that if people admit that they have the right to take or endanger the life of living beings for the benefit of many, there will be no limit to their cruelty." Leo Tolstoy author
"I cannot fish without falling a little in self-respect...always when I have done I feel it would have been better if I had not fished." Henry David Thoreau, author
"While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?" "Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are called medical research." George Bernard Shaw
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
"To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being." Mahatma Gandhi, statesman and philosopher
Whatever makes one happy, well, balanced and a kind, loving, productive member of the human race is what I really respect.
I will not judge someone on what they eat, but I will respect someone's views on what they choose to consume.
Until creator him/herself comes to me and dictates what is true and correct, I shall follow my intuition and respect all.
terri~~~
..well..I'm poor now..and I can't afford..to eat that way..one of my daughter'sdoes not eat meat at all..to feed her isvery expensive..fruits, nuts, vegatables,and tofu..etc.
As long as I have not taken any life away..I think it's okay..When Jesus went to peoples homes for dinner, I am sure he didnot refuse anything put before him..
I fast for 3 days a month, drinking only water...
I do feel bad eating animals. ...
------------------All my love, with all my Heartlotusheartone
but when there's alternatives...well then? what do say to yourself?
when there's not an alternative, and I get not wanting to offend others, yep sure... it's fine.
Let's say you have a choice though, like a lot of us do everyday...
What do you choose? (not asking anyone. just everyone.)
I believe vegetarianism is a good choice.
A very good choice.
good/ bad people...
let's get out of that basket...
I'm just talking about vegetarianism... we all know, deep down,
that
'something.'
I just want to point and ask that we look there. There's a reason why it's associated with spirituality, i'm sure of it.
I shudddup now.
I think it's a good choice...
Have tried, leaves me feeling without something.
I do consume my fair share of veggies, for sure! But I have to stick to the leafy greens....was oogling at some marvelous pot of mexican beans someone brought at work yesterday, but I just cant...would bloat up with all the c02 and explode.
I dunno. One of those debatable questions for ever. We have eaten meat for ever...
Sentient beings.
"its ok to eat fish cause they dont have any feelings...."
again being a fish, I cant catch and kill...hurts, but I just dont know.
I could not eat my cats, even in a dire situation I would dire and let them eat me.
I grew up on a dairy farm. To look into the eyes of a cow, a chicken is not the same as looking into the eyes of a cat or dog. Even pigs have a connection with humans, but cows and chickens, fish, the common things folks eat, just dont have the sentient look in their eyes.
Sorry for being so windy....
I am not seduced my meat, just a choice, and in very small quantities at that!
blessins, ladies!!!
terri~
I'm committed to my vegan lifestyle... I just think it's too easy to lose ones 'way'... what ever that is for the individual, we too easily justify things.I go back to my teachers and take it to heart again and again, even if I 'fail' all the time, I go back.I have justified meat eating during pregnancy... but I have never not felt my conscience say something while eating meat... I must listen to that and go my way.
Something that I think that people who eat some of the currently popular diets should understand is how expensive food really is these days and how little you get for your dollar. I buy all of my own food and seriously, it sucks how much of my money food eats up. People who have money can eat what they like, but the prices on special foods are ridiculous at times. Some are reasonable, but a lot of the trendy food costs a lot of money, more than a lot of normal people have.
Many vegetarians say they are vegetarians because they love animals. Philosophically/ethically speaking, do they hate plants, the life givers? Just because they are inanimate &/or aren't as cute as a chick doesn't automatically give us sanction to deprive them of their lives.
I know no popular religion, except Jainism(takes it to a different level altogether. eg : believers are supposed to cover their mouth to prevent the possibility of swallowing microscopic organisms), that prohibits meat. These gods are fallible?
From a health perspective, Japan has the highest life expectancy rate. The island country's diet is rich in seafood.
Source : a vegetarian by choice who's never been tempted by meat.
------------------Look to the future; see to it that the continual performance of duty under the guidance of a well developed Intuition shall keep the balance well poised. Ah! If your eyes were opened, you might see such a vista of potential blessings to yourselves and mankind lying in the germ of the present hour’s effort, as would fire with joy and zeal your souls!- Masters Words
quote:Originally posted by depth:Human body was designed & evolved to eat both meat & vegetable. Human digestive tracts, animal/plant protein digesting enzymes, salivary glands, teeth, etc. are indicators of an omnivorous diet. We are not, however, required to consume animal protein. We have a choice.Our closest relative, the chimpanzee, are omnivores. In addition, humans are a part of the animal Kingdom where one has to prey on the other for survival. It's simply a part of the food web.Many vegetarians say they are vegetarians because they love animals. Philosophically/ethically speaking, do they hate plants, the life givers? Just because they are inanimate &/or aren't as cute as a chick doesn't automatically give us sanction to deprive them of their lives.I know no popular religion, except Jainism(takes it to a different level altogether. eg : believers are supposed to cover their mouth to prevent the possibility of swallowing microscopic organisms), that prohibits meat. These gods are fallible?From a health perspective, Japan has the highest life expectancy rate. The island country's diet is rich in seafood.Source : a vegetarian by choice who's never been tempted by meat.
excellent, well said!
quote:Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:I personally don't eat meat, but I am not vegan. I do eat cheese, egg whites (Egg Beaters), and occasionally fish. Something that I think that people who eat some of the currently popular diets should understand is how expensive food really is these days and how little you get for your dollar. I buy all of my own food and seriously, it sucks how much of my money food eats up. People who have money can eat what they like, but the prices on special foods are ridiculous at times. Some are reasonable, but a lot of the trendy food costs a lot of money, more than a lot of normal people have.
Food is expensive for sure!
Largely why the culture I serve in San Antonio has such genetically evloved health issues, diabetes to name the main culprit.
Their historical diet, mostly based on corn, rice and beans, is so inexpensive, but (can be) soooo unhealthy.
Alot of times I take to buying large amounts of frozen fish instead of fresh, just to save a buck.
"The meat industry is one of the most destructive ecological industries on the planet. The raising and slaughtering of pigs, cows, sheep, turkeys and chickens not only utilizes vast areas of land and vast quantities of water, but it is a greater contributor to greenhouse gas emissions than the automobile industry." - Paul Watson, A Very Inconvenient Truth
"A kilogram of beef is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions and other pollution than driving for 3 hours while leaving all the lights on back home.[...] In other words, a kilogram of beef is responsible for the equivalent of the amount of CO2 emitted by the average European car every 250 kilometres, and burns enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20 days." - New Scientist magazine
They say that when you reach a meditative state in your consiousness, your body naturally isn't able to consume meat. I think this is what happened to me because I used to eat it and enjoy it. Now I'm on a super pure diet...
quote:I don't see any vegetarians or vegans around here any more.
Been eating only fruits and veggies since June 16th.
I'm loving it.
------------------"The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind." --- Friedrich Nietzsche
Energy/Lifeforce winning!
Sry, just my experience -nods-
------------------~*~ Did you know that a circle is round? ~*~ - TautologyYou can't handle my level of Tinfoil! ~ {;,;}
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